Air Battles

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Air Battles

Сообщение ingvar » 14 апр 2018, 12:24

Similar:

"Operation Mole Cricket 19"

"The operation was the first time in history that a Western-equipped air force successfully destroyed a Soviet-built surface-to-air missile (SAM) network.[3] It also became one of the biggest air battles since World War II,[6] and the biggest since the Korean War.[7] The result was a decisive Israeli victory, leading to the colloquial name the "Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot". ... ."

"On Wednesday, Assad sent Tlass to Moscow to seek a comprehensive air umbrella. The Soviets refused but prepared large amounts of military equipment at airfields for dispatch to Syria and sent Marshall Pavel Stepanovich Kutakhov to Syria to find out what happened to the Syrian SAMs, fearing that NATO might do the same in Eastern Europe. On June 9, Assad met with American envoy Habib in Damascus and rejected his terms, demanding that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon as a condition for a ceasefire. US President Ronald Reagan called on Begin and Assad to accept a ceasefire effective at 6:00 AM, on June 10.[41] By noon on Friday, when the ceasefire took effect, the IAF had shot down 82 aircraft without losing any in air combat.[2] A year after the battle, a US fact-finding mission headed by Lieutenant-General John Chain, then deputy chief of staff for plans and operations, arrived in Israel to learn lessons from the battle.[42]

The Soviet military newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda announced that "sixty-seven Israeli aircraft, including modern US-made F-15 and F-16 fighters, were downed" in the fighting. The newspaper also reported a meeting with a Syrian airman who recounted an engagement in which he shot down an Israeli F-15: "The victory had not been easy; the enemy had been subtle". Even within Soviet ranks, these claims met with great skepticism.[27] In 1991, Ivry met a Czech general who had been serving in Moscow in 1982. He told Ivry that the operation made the Soviets understand that Western technology was superior to theirs, and that in his view, the blow to the Beqaa Valley SAMs was an impetus to Glasnost and the Soviet Union's collapse.[2][8]"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mole_Cricket_19


If the information in bold is true - it is then a critical point in history ... . What really happened we will see soon - who is going to pay reverence and how ... .

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Re: Air Battles

Сообщение ingvar » 14 апр 2018, 17:43

"MIG ALLEY: HOW THE AIR WAR OVER KOREA BECAME A BLOODBATH FOR THE WEST"


"In what was arguably the greatest jet air battle of all time, on October 23, 1951 a group of 200 American and allied aircraft clashed with a Russian MiG force estimated at less than half that number. In the first of this two-part series on the air war over Korea, RBTH looks into the consequences of this epic clash. .... .

Former USAF pilot Lt-Col Earl McGill sums up the battle in 'Black Tuesday Over Namsi: B-29s vs MiGs': "In percentages, Black Tuesday marked the greatest loss on any major bombing mission in any war the United States has ever engaged in, and the ensuing battle, in a chunk of sky called MiG Alley, still ranks as perhaps the greatest jet air battle of all time."

Impact on American morale
The air battle of Black Tuesday would forever change the USAF’s conduct of strategic aerial bombardment. The B-29s would no longer fly daytime sorties into MiG Alley. North Korean towns and villages would no longer be carpet bombed and napalmed by the Americans. Thousands of civilians were out of the firing line.

But most importantly, the bravery and skills of the Russian detachment to Korea may have prevented another world war. Kramarenko explains: “The B-29 was a strategic bomber, in other words, a carrier of atomic bombs. In a Third World War – on the brink of which we were – these bombers were meant to strike at the cities of the Soviet Union with nuclear bombs. Now it turned out these huge planes were defenceless against jet fighters, being far inferior to them in speed and armament.”

Russia opposed to U.S. missile defense system in South Korea
Clearly, none of the B-29s had a chance of flying more than 100 km into the vastness of the Soviet Union and remaining unscathed. “It can be said with confidence that the Soviet airmen who fought in Korea, causing so much damage to the enemy’s bomber aviation, had put off the threat of a Third World War, a nuclear war, for a long time,” says Kramarenko.

A few days after Black Tuesday, McGill was seated in the co-pilot's seat of a B-29 on the tarmac at Okinawa air base, waiting for the takeoff order that would send his bomber deep into MiG Alley. Instead of the usual pre-flight banter, the air crew sat silent and glum, as they felt they were going back "to our certain destruction," when news arrived that the mission was cancelled.

McGill explains the feeling inside the aircraft: "Those minutes before the reprieve taught me the meaning of fear, which I have never experienced since, not even now as life grows short." "



https://www.rbth.com/blogs/continental_ ... est-725501

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Сообщение Проф. Преображенский » 14 апр 2018, 22:36

The Soviet Union was not an official participant in the Korean War, but in reality, the Soviets had over 72,000 military personnel in North Korea, and hundreds of Soviet Air Force pilots secretly flew combat missions against UN forces. The Soviet pilots flew in planes with North Korean or Chinese markings, and at first were forbidden to speak in Russian on their radios. Eventually, this directive was changed, and American and other UN forces could clearly hear the enemy pilots speaking Russian to each other. While the U.S. military and government knew the Soviets were intervening in combat in Korea, the decision was made to keep it a secret from the public.

Soviet losses in Korea amounted to 299 men (mostly pilots), and a loss of 335 Soviet-piloted planes.

Суки, и тогда еще подличали-гибридничали. Своим союзникам, да и всему миру нож в спину воткнули. А результат? Северная Корея - это "достижение" будет еще долго аукаться. Когда Северная Корея освободится и осознает, в каком дерьме провела почти столетие - Россия приобретет кровного врага.

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"50 years after U-2 pilot Gary Powers is shot down, his son comes on own mission to Russia"


"On May 1, 1960, Powers was in the cockpit of the world's highest-flying plane, concentrated on keeping his course steady to film Soviet military bases far below, when he saw an orange flash all around him. His plane had been hit by a Soviet surface-to-air missile. He parachuted to safety but was quickly captured.
Now his son has come to Moscow on a mission of his own: By telling his late father's story, he hopes to help preserve Cold War history and prevent future generations of Russians and Americans from ever again facing the threat of nuclear war.
In the months before Powers' plane was downed, Moscow and Washington had been moving cautiously toward a thaw. The U-2 incident shattered these efforts.
His father's fateful mission was the 24th overflight of the Soviet Union in a highly secretive CIA program that was considered vital for national security at a time before spy satellites.

Among many other Soviet secrets, the previous flights had revealed that Soviet long-range bomber and intercontinental nuclear missile programs were not as advanced as feared, allowing the U.S. to avoid an immediate costly buildup of its own forces.
After nearly four years of unsuccessful Soviet attempts to intercept the U-2s flying at about 70,000 feet (over 21,000 meters), the CIA grew confident of the plane's immunity to Soviet defenses. But the Soviets worked desperately to develop higher-flying fighter jets and a powerful new air defense missile.

Powers Jr. remembered bugging his father with questions on how high he was flying on May 1, 1960: "He got so tired of me asking this question that he finally looked at me one day and said: Gary, I wasn't flying high enough." "



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/30 ... ussia.html

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Re: Air Battles

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Re: Air Battles

Сообщение Geverok » 08 май 2018, 12:57

этот дед безнадежно устарел.
dogfight уже десятки лет никому не нужен. это только русские любят для заказчиков-папуасов в воздухе кульбиты накручивать на всяких авиа-салонах. в западном мире важны дальность обнаружения цели радаром и чтоб ракета воздух-воздух далеко летала.

насчет помощи наземным войскам- это не тот самолет. штурмовики обозначаются буквой "А" типа attack. например знаменитый А-10. если самолет имеет букву F, то это fighter и его наипервейшая цель- захват господсва в воздухе. ну и побомбить точечно всегда можно. но пикировать на нем на цель никто не собирается.

израиль себе закупил F-35-e, a израиль хрень всякую не закупает.

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Сообщение ingvar » 08 май 2018, 14:30

Geverok:израиль себе закупил F-35-e, a израиль хрень всякую не закупает.


That is the key sentence.

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Сообщение Geverok » 22 май 2018, 11:31

http://m.newsru.co.il/israel/22may2018/norkin_705.html

Командующий ВВС: "ЦАХАЛ первым в мире применил F-35 для ударов по целям"

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Re: Air Battles

Сообщение levak » 22 май 2018, 14:32

a израиль хрень всякую не закупает.

Это точно ..Фсе нахаляву..за счет донайшенс богатых буратин..

U.S. $38B military aid package to Israel sends a message. WASHINGTON — The United States agreed Wednesday to provide Israel a record $38 billion in new military aid over the next decade. The pact is a sign of the two nations' close alliance despite major differences over Iran's nuclear program and other policies.The agreement, which equates to $3.8 billion a year, is the largest bilateral military aid package ever and includes $5 billion for missile defense, additional F-35 joint strike fighters and increased mobility for its ground forces.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... /90358564/

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Re: Air Battles

Сообщение Geverok » 22 май 2018, 17:02

levak:
a израиль хрень всякую не закупает.

Это точно ..Фсе нахаляву..за счет донайшенс богатых буратин..


никакой халявы. военную технику нужно проверять в реальных условиях. американцы просто щедро платят израилю за уникальную возможность побомбить русские панцыри и т.д. это как плата за охоту на редкое живоное в африканском сафари


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