Продолжение истории - хотят денег от федералов но производство все равно хотят перенести куда подешевле. Попутно оказалось что проблемы не только с CSeries но и с другими самолетами
Bombardier Inc. is pushing to shift major chunks of work on its Toronto-built Q400 turboprop planes to Mexico and China, even as it seeks a billion-dollar bailout from Canadian taxpayers.
The transportation giant’s proposal to shift assembly of wings and cockpits for the turboprop planes to facilities in Mexico and China, respectively, would eliminate about 200 jobs at the suburban Toronto factory where those components are assembled now, sources familiar with the situation say.
A proposal by the company to outsource wing and cockpit production was rejected by workers at the Toronto plant in October, but Bombardier has not given up on the idea. “They are still determined to offload the wing and the cockpit to Mexico and China,” said one source familiar with the discussions.
Such a move could prove hugely awkward for the federal government, which is studying a request by Bombardier for a $1-billion (U.S.) investment in its C Series plane program to match a deal struck with Quebec. The company is trying to shore up more financial resources for the new aircraft to take it to projected break-even in 2020-21. It plans to build between 15 and 20 C Series planes this year.
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Bombardier has had trouble over the past year winning new orders for commercial and business aircraft, which has hurt both revenue and profitability. At a list price of about $31-million (U.S.), the Q400 has a particular problem in that it is an estimated 20 per cent to 30 per cent more expensive than rival aircraft made by European joint venture ATR.
Although Canadian carriers such as Porter Airlines Inc. and WestJet Airlines Ltd. have embraced the Q400, Bombardier has largely failed to persuade customers outside North America to pay more for the extra speed, size and technology that the aircraft offers. It is now trying to remedy that situation.
“This is a company that’s generally proven to be very astute in dealing with governments,” said Louis Hébert, a specialist in corporate strategy at Montreal’s HEC business school. That they’re proposing this, on top of plans announced last month to lay off 2,800 workers in Canada, “shows just how grave the situation is,” Prof. Hébert said.
Биркин писал(а):Продолжение истории - хотят денег от федералов но производство все равно хотят перенести куда подешевле. Попутно оказалось что проблемы не только с CSeries но и с другими самолетами
Bombardier Inc. is pushing to shift major chunks of work on its Toronto-built Q400 turboprop planes to Mexico and China, even as it seeks a billion-dollar bailout from Canadian taxpayers.
The transportation giant’s proposal to shift assembly of wings and cockpits for the turboprop planes to facilities in Mexico and China, respectively, would eliminate about 200 jobs at the suburban Toronto factory where those components are assembled now, sources familiar with the situation say.
A proposal by the company to outsource wing and cockpit production was rejected by workers at the Toronto plant in October, but Bombardier has not given up on the idea. “They are still determined to offload the wing and the cockpit to Mexico and China,” said one source familiar with the discussions.
Such a move could prove hugely awkward for the federal government, which is studying a request by Bombardier for a $1-billion (U.S.) investment in its C Series plane program to match a deal struck with Quebec. The company is trying to shore up more financial resources for the new aircraft to take it to projected break-even in 2020-21. It plans to build between 15 and 20 C Series planes this year.
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Bombardier has had trouble over the past year winning new orders for commercial and business aircraft, which has hurt both revenue and profitability. At a list price of about $31-million (U.S.), the Q400 has a particular problem in that it is an estimated 20 per cent to 30 per cent more expensive than rival aircraft made by European joint venture ATR.
Although Canadian carriers such as Porter Airlines Inc. and WestJet Airlines Ltd. have embraced the Q400, Bombardier has largely failed to persuade customers outside North America to pay more for the extra speed, size and technology that the aircraft offers. It is now trying to remedy that situation.
“This is a company that’s generally proven to be very astute in dealing with governments,” said Louis Hébert, a specialist in corporate strategy at Montreal’s HEC business school. That they’re proposing this, on top of plans announced last month to lay off 2,800 workers in Canada, “shows just how grave the situation is,” Prof. Hébert said.
Пример этой истории с Бомбардьер показывает на сколько технологически высокоразвитой была до революции страна Украина с ее тогда еще действующими авиационными заводами. Так кому это надо было? Харпер аж слюни пускал за победу революции.
mikei писал(а):Пример этой истории с Бомбардьер показывает на сколько технологически высокоразвитой была до революции страна Украина с ее тогда еще действующими авиационными заводами. Так кому это надо было? Харпер аж слюни пускал за победу революции.
Но рынок достался не ему (не при его премьерстве), а Трюдо. Такова ирония истории.
MONTREAL -- Bombardier says a US$1 billion lifeline from the Quebec government will help complete development of the CSeries and restore customer faith in the delayed and costly commercial jet program.
"It's all about giving confidence that the CSeries will be there and that Bombardier will be there to support these programs that are going to be in service for many, many years," CEO Alain Bellemare said Thursday as the company posted weak third-quarter results.
The Montreal-based company lost US$4.9-billion, tied mostly to large writedowns in the CSeries and the abandoned Learjet 85 business jet programs, along with operating results that were substantially below already low expectations.
Bombardier says it will match Quebec's investment by also spending US$1 billion to complete the CSeries, which is about two years behind schedule.
Up to 20 of the aircraft will be built next year as Bombardier ramps up to full production in three to four years and aims to break even by 2021, the company said.
Bombardier plans to transfer the CSeries program to a new partnership to be chaired by former Quebec premier Daniel Johnson that's 50.5% owned by the company and 49.5% owned by the province.
развитая рыночная экономика это вам не хрен собачий
Ливан, расскажи нам что это за такая загогулина, компания давно производящая самолеты потеряла почти 5 миллиардов зеленых президентов, новая продукция отстает на 2 года, какие-то направления вообще закрыла - и получила от провинциального гавермента еще один миллиард опять зеленых (не полегчавших канадских) чтоб типа никто не дай Бог не подумал что они С-Сериес закроют и саппортить перестанут?
ну т.е. я их понимаю, если такого рода сомнения на рынке есть то и заказчиков потерять недолго и вообще коней двинуть но по факту это госфинансирование убыточных и запоздавших бизнес-проектов? а ихний СЕО сидит довольный, ну как же, выкрутил руки и выцарапал бабки заливать свои же косяки в ведении бизнеса...
ну ладно в 2008-2009 гавермент вливал деньги в банки и автпром чтоб вообще все не скопытилось но сейчас-то что за нужда оплачивать неверные бизнес-решения?
Bombardier said the latest round of job cuts designed to save about $300 million US a year are part of its recovery plan launched last year to improve its profitability and competitiveness by 2020.
Bombardier said the latest round of job cuts designed to save about $300 million US a year are part of its recovery plan launched last year to improve its profitability and competitiveness by 2020.
Все бы было красиво, если частный бизнес. А если частный бизнес, получивший на развитие из налогов сограждан, то как-то не очень.
Bombardier employee arrested, others questioned in Swedish bribery probe
Allegations involve U.K. shell company and bribes to Azerbaijan railway authorities
A Bombardier Transportation employee in Sweden has been arrested and others questioned by police in connection with contracts for a railway modernization project in Azerbaijan.
Swedish prosecutor Thomas Forsberg said the employee who was arrested is a Russian national who works for Bombardier Transportation in Sweden.
According to Forsberg, the investigation is based on allegations that bribes were given to Azerbaijan officials "in order to adapt a contract" to fit Bombardier. http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bombard ... -1.4019054
Bombardier said the latest round of job cuts designed to save about $300 million US a year are part of its recovery plan launched last year to improve its profitability and competitiveness by 2020.
Все бы было красиво, если частный бизнес. А если частный бизнес, получивший на развитие из налогов сограждан, то как-то не очень.
Микей, расслабься. Штаты спасали свой автопром тоже с помощью вливаний. А Россия пожалела на авиапром и сейчас только истребители делает, а гражданские самолеты закупает. Почитай про Suhoj Superjet, сколько в него влили и какой результат.
Beaudoin brought the request to the company's board of directors on Friday.
"After listening to the recent public debate about the compensation of senior executives at Bombardier, I have asked the board of directors to reset my 2016 compensation, reducing it to the 2015 level," he said in a news release, adding it had become a distraction.
In 2016 Beaudoin's compensation increased to $5.25 million US. That was up from $3.85 million US in 2015.
канадская группа Bombardier Inc. находится на пороге полного отказа от самостоятельного производства пассажирских коммерческих самолетов, осуществляемого ее дивизионом Bombardier Aerospace. После недавнего соглашения с европейской группой Airbus о создании совместного предприятия о развитии программы узкофюзеляжного пассажирского самолета CSeries (в котором у Airbus будет большинство акций в 50,01 %, у Bombardier - более 31 % и у правительства канадской провинции Квебек - менее 19%), теперь Bombardier Inc. ведет переговоры о продаже китайцам программы своего турбовинтового регионального пассажирского самолета Bombardier Q400.
Более того, перспективы ликвидации, согласно статье, нависают и над производством реактивных региональных пассажирских самолетов Bombardier CRJ. Источники Фауста сообщают, что Bombardier обращаются к заказчикам CRJ, ожидающим новых поставок этих самолетов, предлагая конвертировать их заказы в самолеты CSeries. Это, видимо, предвещает возможность "сброса" и производства реактивных региональных самолетов CRJ.
