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simon писал(а): ↑28 июл 2021, 20:08 Ожидаемо c плаванием после опыта с обскими спасателями.
А гребля, где есть вёсла, так вообще ненавистна должна быть

The point of the measures imposed on Russia – no name, no flag, no anthem – is humiliation. If they won’t play by the rules, then they have to wear the Olympic dunce cap if they want to participate.

But humiliation is transactional. It only works if the humiliated party agrees to accept its part.

Do the Russians look humiliated to you? Do you see them skulking into and out of events? No, they come strutting in like they’ve just arrived on the Death Star and are headed for the bar.

Swagger has gone out of fashion, especially at a perfectly egalitarian venue like this one, but the Russians still have it. They play a part, just not the one they were assigned. This mood was captured by rugby player Alena Tiron, speaking to journalists back home: “If the flag is not allowed, we will be the flag.”

Great job, everyone. You tried to turn this team into a laughingstock. Instead, you ended up producing a Slavic remake of Braveheart.

If all these punitive measures have been pointless, even counter-to-purpose, they have at least managed to turn Russia back into the black hat of the Olympics. That is their finest role.

When you think of the classic Olympics, the Olympics at its peak, it’s the Olympics of the 1970s and 1980s. East vs. West. Unbeatable, anonymous, pot-bellied weightlifters vs. American pin-ups like Mark Spitz. The Soviet machine vs. the libertines of Hollywood.

Back then, you understood who you were meant to root for (your friends) and who you were meant to cheer against (the people who had nuclear missiles pointed at you). Life was simpler.

Since then, “your friends” has become everyone, all the time. Hooray! We’re all here participating and being nice to each other. People still cheat all the livelong day, but they are nice while they do it.

That’s fine as far as it goes, but it’s not really sports, is it? The main point of sports is skimming a little aggro off the top. If you want to get fit, take the stairs. It requires less equipment.

Russia not only fills that requirement for a team that’s easy to root against, but they are begging you to do so. They thrive on your resentment.

How else would you explain their eagerness to be thrown out of the Olympics? All they had to do was turn over a few records. That’s it. But they would not do it. They still won’t. You have to admire the sheer bloody mindedness.

Total insensitivity to what others want or expect from them acts as a shield. Russia doesn’t care what you call them, or how you dress them. Winning is their business and business is, well, not great, but pretty, pretty good.

In getting this completely wrong, the IOC and its enforcement partners have somehow gotten it kind of right.

In order to function, the Olympics do not require perfect fairness. That is self-evidently true because every time they do this, a bunch of people are caught doing drugs, and yet they still do it again.

What they require is a healthy mix of types. Heroes and villains and a supporting cast. You need heartwarming stories, absolutely, but you also need some dramatic tension. That requires friction.

Marmot писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:16 Интересная статья https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... wart-iocs/

mikei писал(а): ↑28 июл 2021, 20:14

simon писал(а): ↑28 июл 2021, 20:08 Ожидаемо c плаванием после опыта с обскими спасателями.
А гребля, где есть вёсла, так вообще ненавистна должна быть

Гребля - это рабский спорт.

Dusty Dmitri писал(а): ↑30 июл 2021, 12:53 В чём секрет медалей сборной России?

mikei писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:25

Marmot писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:16 Интересная статья https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... wart-iocs/

Только что прочитал тоже. Истеричная.

God love the Russians. Having been given a set of rules absent any serious enforcement mechanism, they are running wild. They’re like a dog chasing a car. They’re not even sure what they’re trying to accomplish.

Marmot писал(а): ↑31 июл 2021, 07:02

mikei писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:25

Marmot писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:16 Интересная статья https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... wart-iocs/

Только что прочитал тоже. Истеричная.

Не, истеричная это вот эта

God love the Russians. Having been given a set of rules absent any serious enforcement mechanism, they are running wild. They’re like a dog chasing a car. They’re not even sure what they’re trying to accomplish.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/ ... ting-worse

Marmot писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:16 But humiliation is transactional. It only works if the humiliated party agrees to accept its part.

Do the Russians look humiliated to you? Do you see them skulking into and out of events? No, they come strutting in like they’ve just arrived on the Death Star and are headed for the bar.

Marmot писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:16 Total insensitivity to what others want or expect from them acts as a shield. Russia doesn’t care what you call them, or how you dress them. Winning is their business and business is, well, not great, but pretty, pretty good.

Биркин писал(а): ↑31 июл 2021, 08:29

Marmot писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:16 But humiliation is transactional. It only works if the humiliated party agrees to accept its part.

Do the Russians look humiliated to you? Do you see them skulking into and out of events? No, they come strutting in like they’ve just arrived on the Death Star and are headed for the bar.

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Marmot писал(а): ↑29 июл 2021, 14:16 Total insensitivity to what others want or expect from them acts as a shield. Russia doesn’t care what you call them, or how you dress them. Winning is their business and business is, well, not great, but pretty, pretty good.

Да, резонно написано. Русские положили болта на весь этот "хюмилиейшн" и политику, и просто выигрывают медали. Какая жалость )) Без флага и без гимна? Ну и фиг с ним, пускай без флага и гимна и с аббревиатурой ROC вместо названия страны. Всем в мире и так ясно чья это команда

mikei писал(а): ↑30 июл 2021, 13:40 0:0 пенальти. Интересная игра. Я за Бразилию. Я всегда за Бразилию почему-то. Неймара только бы быстрее на пенсию.

Stanislav писал(а): ↑31 июл 2021, 13:06

mikei писал(а): ↑30 июл 2021, 13:40 0:0 пенальти. Интересная игра. Я за Бразилию. Я всегда за Бразилию почему-то. Неймара только бы быстрее на пенсию.

Я тоже болею за Бразилию. Мне хочется, чтобы Бразилия всегда побеждала
Просто потому, что это команда Пеле - в футболе я ничего не понимаю. Мой папа был футбольным арбитром, и.е. в футболе разбирался - он был на матче Пеле в Москве - он говорил, что Пеле - великий футболист.