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Victoria писал(а):Daning, можешь схлопотать жёлтую карточку.

Victoria писал(а):Daning, можешь схлопотать жёлтую карточку.

Daning писал(а):зы. А если я желаю стать евреем, то как мне правильно

Fisher писал(а):

Daning писал(а):зы. А если я желаю стать евреем, то как мне правильно

Точно зачесался!

Fisher писал(а): Погуглите, где теперь бузболезненно циркумцизию делают.
Или в синагоге поспрашайте...

Alusya писал(а): ...
Итог революции и советской власти.
1914-й – в Российской империи 4 000 000 евреев.
2007-й – на территории бывшего СССР меньше 400 000 евреев. В основном стариков.

Daning писал(а):... Как вы относитесь к царю Николаю Второму?

Edwin Black писал(а):Pages 30-31.

The anti-Ford boycott was but a commercial skirmish compared to the international financial war waged against Russian Czar Nicholas II by Jewish banker Jacob Schiff and the American Jewish Committee. The war began when Jews were blamed for Russia’s social and economic chaos in the 1880s. The classic scapegoat scenario developed. Quotas for Jews were decreed in academia and commerce. Jews were physically restricted to the smallest hamlets. Bloody pogroms followed as mounted Cossacks swept through the hamlets pillaging and ravaging defenceless Jews.

Although America’s German Jews detested the unkempt Russian Jews, they were nevertheless infuriated by the barbarism of the czar’s persecution. Among the Hofjuden who considered themselves the custodians of Jewish defense, Jacob Schiff stood out as a central figure. A major factor in international finance, Schiff’s greatest weapon was money: giving it, denying it. After the notorious Kishinev pogrom of Passover 1903, Schiff decided to personally lead a crusade to force Czar Nicholas to abandon his anti-Semitic campaign.

Schiff used his influence with friends and family in Europe to commit major Jewish and even non-Jewish financial houses to a banking boycott of Russia. And before long, Russia’s loan requests were in fact systematically denied in most French, English, and U.S. money markets. In 1904, after war broke out between Russia and Japan, Schiff lobbied tirelessly among commercial adversaries and cohorts alike to grant high-risk war loans to the Japanese. About $100 million, suddenly infused, quickly armed the under-equipped Japanese, allowing them to score a series of humiliating victories. Schiff’s loans were officially recognized as the pivotal factor in Japan’s victory, and the Jewish leader was commemorated in Japanese newspapers and history books as a new national hero.

The banking boycott and the financing of Japan’s victory were only the first rounds. In 1906, Schiff and other influential Hofjuden formed the American Jewish Committee. Their first major objective was abrogation of the Russo-American commercial treaty, the legal basis of all friendly relations with Russia. The Committee asserted that the czar’s denial of Russian visas to Jewish American citizens was an affront not just to America’s Jewish citizens but to the United States itself.

Although William Taft had issued a presidential campaign promise of abrogation, he refused to honor his pledge once elected. During a February 1911 White House luncheon for Committee leaders, when Taft rendered his final refusal to abrogate, Schiff warned, “We had hoped you would see that justice be done to us. You have decided otherwise. We shall now go to the American people.” Schiff then stalked from the room, refusing to even shake the president’s hand. On the way out, Schiff whispered to fellow Committee leaders, “This means war!”

Calling upon all friends and resources, the Committee began a widespread public appeal to have Congress force the president to end commercial relations with Russia. Within weeks, House and Senate abrogation resolutions – each personally approved by the Committee – were prepared. On December 13, 1911, after the House voted 300 to 1 to abrogate, Taft capitulated, and two days later issued instructions to terminate the treaty.

Despite abrogation, the czar would not yield. Massacres continued, and the Jewish death toll rose. So the banking boycott was tightened. Its effects became most destructive, however, during World War I, when the czar needed multimillion-dollar military loans. Committee members were widely criticised for the stubborn continuation of their boycott even as it threatened the Allied war effort. But the boycott remained in effect until the monarchy was toppled in 1917.

Daning писал(а):

Fisher писал(а): Я бы ваще поостерёгся использовать условно-сослагательное наклонение применимо к истории.

А где условно-сослагательное наклонение? Троцкий энергично взялся претворять в жизнь свою программу. К счастью, его вовремя остановили.

Daning писал(а):Meadie, вы ненавидите большевиков за их кровавый террор и репрессии. Как вы относитесь к царю Николаю Второму?

Daning писал(а):Одно из двух. Либо вы, Fisher, еврей. Либо вы антисемит, поскольку привели здесь определение антисемитизма, и тем самым упомянули евреев.

Fisher писал(а): Ну. А чего вы от меня хотите теперь?

Fisher писал(а): предоставлю вам такую возможность мучаться над этим вопросом всю жизнь.

Fisher писал(а): Как только человек себя отождествил с одной, или в противоположность другой
категорией, он уже попал.
Попал в зависимость от... всего - штампов, стереотипов, исторических сентенций...

Fisher писал(а): Проще пива выпить литр!

Daning писал(а):А я просто сижу и наблюдаю, какие вселенские гадости творятся во имя принадлежности к этим категориям. Вы меня в эти категории никакой силой не затянете, даже не пытайтесь.