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Котяр писал(а):

Yury писал(а): откуда дровишки?

например, отсюда: On the sun's side of Earth, the magnetopause distance is approximately 10 Earth radii

Zy писал(а):Может, они ночью летали?

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"

"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"

"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"

"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"

"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"

"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"

Yury писал(а):про магнитное поле то и так понятно, а ягодки откуда?

So the Apollo missions, from 1969 to 1972, were occurring during a solar maximum, when there would have been peak numbers of solar flares per day!

Edward P. Ney estimates the radiation risks in an article titled The Sun Under Surveillance in the 1967 World Book Science Year: "We have rough estimates of what the moon travelers can expect, based on a few observations made during the last solar maximum in 1957. The most violent flares probably will produce exposures of 100 roentgens each hour and may hold this level for several hours".

Котяр писал(а): так что немного по-фантазировали с Луной, грех небольшой

Котяр писал(а):

Yury писал(а):про магнитное поле то и так понятно, а ягодки откуда?

например отсюда, походи по ссылкам еще больше найдешь: http://internet.ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm

So the Apollo missions, from 1969 to 1972, were occurring during a solar maximum, when there would have been peak numbers of solar flares per day!

Edward P. Ney estimates the radiation risks in an article titled The Sun Under Surveillance in the 1967 World Book Science Year: "We have rough estimates of what the moon travelers can expect, based on a few observations made during the last solar maximum in 1957. The most violent flares probably will produce exposures of 100 roentgens each hour and may hold this level for several hours".

Experts say, "During a solar maximum, about 15 flares per day emit detectable X-ray energies." [David Wozney]
The source cited by Wozney for this claim is no longer at the web URL he gives. But we must distinguish carefully between a major event and a detectable event. Just because our instruments can detect the radiation of a solar event doesn't mean it presents a health hazard to a lunar astronaut. We could draw the parallel between a detectable earthquake and a catastrophic earthquake. Seismometers can measure earthquakes so gentle that people don't even notice them. This would be a detectable seismic event, and they occur all the time.

According to records, more than 1,400 solar flares occurred during the Apollo missions.
This number represents the total number of detectable solar events, not major flares that would have posed a danger to the astronauts. The records also show that no major solar flares occurred during the Apollo missions, but the conspiracists don't care to look that closely. The impressively large number is all they're interested in. The closest call came when the Apollo 12 spacecraft's external radiation sensors detected a minor flare, but the interior sensors did not indicate that any appreciable amount of this radiation penetrated the spacecraft hull.

Major solar events last for hours, or sometimes even days. [David Wozney]
Strangely enough, Mr. Wozney provides no reconciliation for his two claims. On the one hand we're told these major events occur 15 times a day. Now we're told they can last for days. Fortunately we at Clavius can offer a reconciliation. Major events can in fact last for hours or days. The events that occur 15 times a day during peak activity are the low-level events which pose no particular hazard to astronauts. They're strong enough to trigger our detection instruments, but not strong enough to warrant concern.

But solar events do in fact produce dangerous radiation. They have been known to knock out communications satellites and even disrupt terrestrial communications. But in order to correlate the conspiracists' numbers with the likely threat, we have to know what kind of particle the number refers to. A 10 MeV electron is relatively harmless, while a 10 MeV proton might be a cause for concern. But again, the energy level is only half the story. You also have to know the particle flux.

The dosage figures, which take into account both energy and flux, are likely to be fairly accurate. But the conspiracists make the fundamental error of multiplying these worst-case exposure characteristics by the 15-per-day figure, or 1,400 total figure, representing the number of merely detectable events, thereby arriving at what they believe to be the exposure level of a typical mission to the moon. If we stick with the earthquake analogy, it would be like counting the dozens of microquakes that occur on a daily basis and multiplying that number by the 7.0 or 8.0 Richter magnitudes for a single major earthquake, and then presuming that massive devastation must have taken place during those microquakes.

Yury писал(а): не, ты не спеши - так кто из них фантазировал-то?
правительство или заговоро-теоретики?

Котяр писал(а):

Yury писал(а): не, ты не спеши - так кто из них фантазировал-то?
правительство или заговоро-теоретики?

при чем тут "заговоро-теоретики" - бессмысленный ярлык-жупел, у всех нормальных и незаинтересованных людей просто глаза на лоб лезут от бесконечного наглого вранья в котором завязли и правительства, и массмедия и "ученые" из NASA.

Котяр писал(а):

Yury писал(а):про магнитное поле то и так понятно, а ягодки откуда?

например отсюда, походи по ссылкам еще больше найдешь: http://internet.ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm

So the Apollo missions, from 1969 to 1972, were occurring during a solar maximum, when there would have been peak numbers of solar flares per day!

Edward P. Ney estimates the radiation risks in an article titled The Sun Under Surveillance in the 1967 World Book Science Year: "We have rough estimates of what the moon travelers can expect, based on a few observations made during the last solar maximum in 1957. The most violent flares probably will produce exposures of 100 roentgens each hour and may hold this level for several hours".

AlexANB писал(а):Любой научный источник тебе это скажет.

Yury писал(а):а-а-а!
ну так бы сразу и сказал

теперь понятно
теперь просто определить - если инфа из официальных источников, и еще не дай бог в прессе опубликована - значит вранье, причем наглое

или это только к Луне относится - а так иногда еще верить можно?

AlexANB писал(а): Котяр, ты сам себе противоречишь. То ты говоришь, что радиационные пояса улавливают и концентрируют летящие частицы, а то вдруг говоришь, что за их пределами радиация намного выше. Нестыковка. И нестыковка принципиальная. P.S. Вообще, я вижу, что тебя ничем не убедить. Ты видишь исключительно то, что хочешь видеть. Что ж... жаль.

Котяр писал(а):

AlexANB писал(а): Котяр, ты сам себе противоречишь. То ты говоришь, что радиационные пояса улавливают и концентрируют летящие частицы, а то вдруг говоришь, что за их пределами радиация намного выше. Нестыковка. И нестыковка принципиальная. P.S. Вообще, я вижу, что тебя ничем не убедить. Ты видишь исключительно то, что хочешь видеть. Что ж... жаль.

Одно дело когда ты в поясе Ван Аллена с собранными частицами солнечного ветра (low-energy 250-1000 km/s), а другое дело когда ты попадаешь под "very-high-energy particles" (летящих со скоростью света и интенсивностью выше 100 rem/hr) и не защищен магнитным полем. Ну и где тут "нестыковка"

Меня ни то что "ничем не убедить", я просто не покупаюсь на всякий булшит

что они больше туда не совались уже 30 лет - ну мало ли - скучно там