Каморка

Geverok писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 13:42 согласны ли вы с утверждением о том что именно насильственная вакцинация (в некоторых случаях с приставленным к виску пистолетом) и насильственная изоляция (карантин) помогли победить пандемию оспы?

Marmot писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 11:49 По срокам от настоящего момента, от года, до трех, максимум.

S.G. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 14:35

Marmot писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 11:49 По срокам от настоящего момента, от года, до трех, максимум.

4-5 месяцев максимум Проверим в апреле.

Fedor P. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 14:26

Geverok писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 13:42 согласны ли вы с утверждением о том что именно насильственная вакцинация (в некоторых случаях с приставленным к виску пистолетом) и насильственная изоляция (карантин) помогли победить пандемию оспы?

Так в случае с оспой, я бы сам в огороде откопал бы пулемёт и пошёл бы штурмом брать вакционный пункт. Я бы эти вакцины на дороге бы грабил, только дело в том что сейчас не оспа.

Дочь л-та Шмидта писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 12:31 Тут вопрос: насколько серьезно привитые заражают привитых или непривитых?

Waterbyte писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 01:42 справедливости ради, у меня 12 лет назад два раза подряд возникали-таки бактериальные осложнения после обычных вирусных инфекций, когда иммунитет был подавлен. так что тех докторов можно понять.

Geverok писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 10:18

K.B. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 10:07

Geverok писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 09:34

pin писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 09:03

Geverok писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 08:49

transmissibility от вакцинированных ниже чем от невакцинированных.

а можно в подкрепление этого стейтмента сцылочку на репортец?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21261295v1

In this study, we found that fully vaccinated patients had significantly lower odds of moderate or severe outcomes following infection by the SARS-CoV-2 VOC B.1.617.2. Vaccination was associated with lower peak measures of systemic inflammation, fewer symptoms, including more asymptomatic infection, and better clinical outcomes. Notably, in contrast to existing studies that showed lower viral load in vaccinated patients [22], initial viral load indicated by PCR Ct values was similar between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients with B.1.617.2. However, vaccinated patients appeared to clear viral load at a faster rate. Our serologic data suggest an early rapid rise in neutralizing and binding antibodies indicated by C-Pass and Roche anti-S antibodies, which may be evidence of memory immunity to COVID-19 vaccination on challenge with a breakthrough infection with B.1.617.2.

Или вы имеете в виду, что заражают "не так долго"?

именно. vaccinated patients appeared to clear viral load at a faster rate

levak писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 14:54

Waterbyte писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 01:42 справедливости ради, у меня 12 лет назад два раза подряд возникали-таки бактериальные осложнения после обычных вирусных инфекций, когда иммунитет был подавлен. так что тех докторов можно понять.

Please поделитесь как вы подняли свой иммунитет ?
Может это каморка животворящие чудо? :alco:

pin писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 10:47 а, правда, сколько ожидается вариантов и волн ковида, и сколько будет вколото вакцин? Интересно мнение ваксеров.

pin писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 09:03 а можно в подкрепление этого стейтмента сцылочку на репортец?

K.B. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 15:11При этом вакцинированный без симптомов может кишеть вирусами и делиться с окружающими, не подозревая об этом.

Hairy Potter писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 13:51 В 1885 такой же фашизм наступил в Монреале во время smallpox epidemic.
Бородатые мужики тоже наверное хотели "to do their own research"

On Sept. 28, the Board of Health announced that vaccination was to be made compulsory. In response, a “howling mob” surrounded the East End Branch Health Office that evening and “wrecked” the building.6 Protestors were as concerned with matters of identity as with vaccination, shouting phrases like, “Hurrah for the French-Canadians; Montréal is no longer for the English nor Irish.”7

"This drawing by Robert Harris is titled “Incident of the smallpox epidemic, Montréal.” It illustrates sanitary police removing patients from the public through the use of force, contemporary to the antivaccination riots of 1885."

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/193/14/E490

In March 1885, a conductor of the Grand Trunk Railway arrived in Montréal carrying smallpox, which soon spread through the city.6 Subsequent vaccination efforts did not unfold smoothly. Several cases of erysipelas after vaccination, likely caused by unsanitary conditions, led health officials to believe that a bad batch of vaccines was being used. This led to a suspension of the vaccination program for 3 months, starting in May 1885. People opposed to the vaccination spread word that the smallpox vaccine was dangerous and pulled down warning signs that public health workers posted to the homes of people who were diagnosed with smallpox. In poor, predominantly French-speaking areas of the city, the disease flourished; contemporary English-speaking editorials blamed the living conditions of slums occupied by the poor, ignoring the uneven and often poor quality of the vaccination program. Over the summer, the epidemic became worse.

By Sept. 2, 1885, the Board of Health in Montréal believed that there were about 2000 cases of smallpox present in the city. By Sept. 28, some experts were estimating 4000 cases. By late September, sanitary police began to forcibly remove people from housing conditions that made isolation impossible, often using harsh tactics, isolating the poor from housing and social support. On Sept. 28, the Board of Health announced that vaccination was to be made compulsory. In response, a “howling mob” surrounded the East End Branch Health Office that evening and “wrecked” the building.6 Protestors were as concerned with matters of identity as with vaccination, shouting phrases like, “Hurrah for the French-Canadians; Montréal is no longer for the English nor Irish.”7

Constables gathered, but were driven away by the mob. The crowd travelled through the city, smashing windows of pharmacies that sold vaccines and of the homes of health officers. Antivaccine protesters smashed all the windows in the Central Police Station. The Chief of Police was stabbed and stoned, though he survived. Rioters fired at police, and police escalated their tactics in an attempt to disperse the mob. They armed themselves with rifles and bayonets, firing above the heads of the crowd. Finally, they began clubbing the rioters, causing them to break into groups that continued the destruction of property, damaging various buildings.

The next day, officials worried that more violence would occur. Although the Board of Health was ambivalent about resorting to force, 1400 armed military men gathered at the city hall and patrolled the city. Sanitary police were issued revolvers. The Board of Health blamed the riots on lies told by vaccine opponents — that vaccine administrators would enter women’s bedrooms and tie children down to be vaccinated. No further major violence occurred. Whether the display of force was effective, or the crowd had ceased interest in rioting, or simply was not organized, is unclear. For the most part, the riot resulted only in property damage.

In the 5-week period ending on Oct. 31, 1391, people died of smallpox in Montréal. Of those, 1286 were French-speaking and about 90% were children under 10 years. Ultimately, the outbreak resulted in at least 19 905 cases and 5964 deaths in the province of Quebec, with 3259 of these deaths in Montréal alone.8

K.B. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 15:11

Geverok писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 10:18

K.B. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 10:07

Geverok писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 09:34

pin писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 09:03
а можно в подкрепление этого стейтмента сцылочку на репортец?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21261295v1

In this study, we found that fully vaccinated patients had significantly lower odds of moderate or severe outcomes following infection by the SARS-CoV-2 VOC B.1.617.2. Vaccination was associated with lower peak measures of systemic inflammation, fewer symptoms, including more asymptomatic infection, and better clinical outcomes. Notably, in contrast to existing studies that showed lower viral load in vaccinated patients [22], initial viral load indicated by PCR Ct values was similar between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients with B.1.617.2. However, vaccinated patients appeared to clear viral load at a faster rate. Our serologic data suggest an early rapid rise in neutralizing and binding antibodies indicated by C-Pass and Roche anti-S antibodies, which may be evidence of memory immunity to COVID-19 vaccination on challenge with a breakthrough infection with B.1.617.2.

Или вы имеете в виду, что заражают "не так долго"?

именно. vaccinated patients appeared to clear viral load at a faster rate

Тогда давайте называть вещи своими именами - transmissibility от вакцинированных не ниже, а короче

K.B. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 15:11 Так что, Фёдор, это ВАМ опасно находиться рядом с вакцинированными

S.G. писал(а): ↑08 окт 2021, 15:17Болезнь очень опасная. Я за прививки для 50+ и BMI +30, если что :D