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Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:26
ingvar
The double-hulled giant, Condoleezza Rice, is part of the international tanker fleet of the San Francisco-based multinational oil firm, named several years ago in honor of Rice when she was a Chevron board member and stockholder.
Rice, the former Stanford University provost, served on Chevron's board from 1991 until Jan. 15, when she resigned after President Bush named her to the national security post.
But with California's energy crisis intensifying and human rights groups spotlighting abuses in countries where Chevron does business, critics say the tanker now poses serious diplomatic and ethical issues for Rice and the administration.
"It does underscore that there's never been an administration in power in this country that has been so close to a single industry -- in this instance, the oil-and-gas industry," said Chuck Lewis, who heads the Washington-based Center for Public Integrity, which first raised the issue of the tanker's moniker last month. "Look at the president and his background, the vice president (who is a former executive at Halliburton), (Commerce Secretary) Don Evans and his oil interests . . . and now this."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... 222557.DTL

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:30
Froggy
данинг, следующим этапом вашей борьбы с америкой на этом форуме я предлагаю следующее - придти в женсовет, в тему о кремах для лица, например, и ввернуть что-нибудь типа, что американскими кремами пользоваться нельзя, потому что американская военщина наживается на этом....

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:33
Daning
Froggy писал(а):данинг, следующим этапом вашей борьбы с америкой на этом форуме я предлагаю следующее - придти в женсовет, в тему о кремах для лица, например, и ввернуть что-нибудь типа, что американскими кремами пользоваться нельзя, потому что американская военщина наживается на этом....
Спасибо, Фрогги, я подумаю над вашим предложением. Кстати, шпроты нельзя покупать по той же самой причине.

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:33
ingvar
Froggy писал(а):данинг, следующим этапом вашей борьбы с америкой на этом форуме я предлагаю следующее - придти в женсовет, в тему о кремах для лица, например, и ввернуть что-нибудь типа, что американскими кремами пользоваться нельзя, потому что американская военщина наживается на этом....
А мне можно будет ВВЕРНУТЬ ЧТО-НИБУДЬ ТИПА ... своего? :D

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:37
Проф. Преображенский
ingvar писал(а):The double-hulled giant, Condoleezza Rice, is part of the international tanker fleet of the San Francisco-based multinational oil firm, named several years ago in honor of Rice when she was a Chevron board member and stockholder.
Rice, the former Stanford University provost, served on Chevron's board from 1991 until Jan. 15, when she resigned after President Bush named her to the national security post.
Что-то я не пойму, к чему все это? Да, назвать танкер именем живого чиновника - дурная идея. Родство чиновников с прибыльной индустрией наводит на размышления - но ведь не только нас с вами! Там много народа бдят - ждут жареного. Так что мелковата "новость".

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:38
Froggy
ingvar писал(а):А мне можно будет ВВЕРНУТЬ ЧТО-НИБУДЬ ТИПА ... своего? :D
папробуйте.... :wink:

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:41
ingvar
:D А я милого узнаю по походке :?:

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:46
Daning
Проф. Преображенский писал(а): Что-то я не пойму, к чему все это?
Daning писал(а): К вопросу о том, как и почему некоторые в США так не любят Чавеса...

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 14:57
Проф. Преображенский
Daning писал(а):
Проф. Преображенский писал(а): Что-то я не пойму, к чему все это?
Daning писал(а): К вопросу о том, как и почему некоторые в США так не любят Чавеса...
Мне он тоже не нравится. Точнее не нравится то, что он там делает. И что? А вам похоже нравится - за то, как он относится к штатам. Ну-ну. Скажи мне кто твой друг...

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 15:04
Daning
Проф. Преображенский писал(а): Мне он тоже не нравится. Точнее не нравится то, что он там делает.
А почему? Может быть, потому, что знания о мире вы черпаете из ньюсру? Что пишут в ньюсру о войне в Ираке? Let me guess, Mission almost accomplished?

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 15:47
Проф. Преображенский
Daning писал(а):
Проф. Преображенский писал(а): Мне он тоже не нравится. Точнее не нравится то, что он там делает.
А почему? Может быть, потому, что знания о мире вы черпаете из ньюсру? Что пишут в ньюсру о войне в Ираке? Let me guess, Mission almost accomplished?
Хм. Не обо мне речь. Мне лично уже не нужны "источники знаний о мире". Ньюсру просто предоставляет мне более удачные сочетания букв для копи-паст, чем другие источники.

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 15:51
aldep
Daning писал(а): Let me guess, Mission almost accomplished?
Your guess is wrong. Try to read them instead of making guesses. :)

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 16:03
Daning
Проф. Преображенский писал(а): А вам похоже нравится - за то, как он относится к штатам.
http://www.americanempireproject.com/bo ... 0805077383
After World War II, in the name of containing Communism, the United States, mostly through the actions of local allies, executed or encouraged coups in, among other places, Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, and Argentina and patronized a brutal mercenary war in Nicaragua. Latin America became a laboratory for counterinsurgency, as military officials and covert operators applied insights learned in the region to Southeast Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. By the end of the Cold War, Latin American security forces trained, funded, equipped, and incited by Washington had executed a reign of bloody terror -- hundreds of thousands killed, an equal number tortured, millions driven into exile -- from which the region has yet to fully recover.

This reign of terror has had consequences more far-reaching than the damage done to Latin America itself, for it was this rehabilitation of hard power that directly influenced America's latest episode of imperial overreach in the wake of 9/11.

It is often noted in passing that a number of the current administration's officials, advisers, and hangers-on are veterans of Ronald Reagan's Central American policy in the 1980s, which included the patronage of anti-Communist governments in El Salvador and Guatemala and anti-Communist insurgents in Nicaragua. The list includes Elliott Abrams, Bush's current deputy national security adviser in charge of promoting democracy throughout the world; John Negroponte, former U.N. ambassador, envoy to Iraq, and now intelligence czar; Otto Reich, secretary of state for the Western Hemisphere during Bush's first term; and Robert Kagan, an ardent advocate of U.S. global hegemony. John Poindexter, convicted of lying to Congress, conspiracy, and destroying evidence in the Iran-Contra scandal during his tenure as Reagan's national security adviser, was appointed by Rumsfeld to oversee the Pentagon's stillborn Total Information Awareness program. John Bolton, ambassador to the United Nations and an arch-unilateralist, served as Reagan's point man in the Justice Department to stonewall investigations into Iran-Contra.

Yet the links between the current Bush administration's revolution in foreign policy and Reagan's hard line in Central America are even more profound than the simple recycling of personnel. It was Central America, and Latin America more broadly, where an insurgent New Right first coalesced, as conservative activists used the region to respond to the crisis of the 1970s, a crisis provoked not only by America's defeat in Vietnam but by a deep economic recession and a culture of skeptical antimilitarism and political dissent that spread in the war's wake. Indeed, Reagan's Central American wars can best be understood as a dress rehearsal for what is going on now in the Middle East. It was in these wars where the coalition made up of neoconservatives, Christian evangelicals, free marketers, and nationalists that today stands behind George W. Bush's expansive foreign policy first came together. There they had near free rein to bring the full power of the United States against a much weaker enemy in order to exorcise the ghost of Vietnam-and, in so doing, begin the transformation of America's foreign policy and domestic culture.

A critical element of that transformation entailed shifting the rationale of American diplomacy away from containment to rollback, from one primarily justified in terms of national defense to one charged with advancing what Bush likes to call a "global democratic revolution." The domestic fight over how to respond to revolutionary nationalism in Central America allowed conservative ideologues to remoralize both American diplomacy and capitalism, to counteract the cynicism that had seeped into both popular culture and the political establishment regarding the deployment of U.S. power in the world. Thus they pushed the Republican Party away from its foreign policy pragmatism to the idealism that now defines the "war on terror" as a world crusade of free-market nation building.

At the same time, the conflicts in Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Guatemala allowed New Right militarists to find ways to bypass the restrictions enacted by Congress and the courts in the wake of Vietnam that limited the executive branch's ability to fight wars, conduct covert operations, and carry out domestic surveillance of political activists. The Reagan White House perfected new techniques to manipulate the media, Congress, and public opinion while at the same time reempowering domestic law enforcement agencies to monitor and harass political dissidents. These techniques, as we shall see, prefigured initiatives now found in the PR campaign to build support for the war in Iraq and in the Patriot Act, reinvigorating the national security state in ways that resonate to this day. The Central American wars also provided the New Christian Right its first extensive experience in foreign affairs, as the White House mobilized evangelical activists in order to neutralize domestic opponents of a belligerent foreign policy. It was here where New Right Christian theologians first joined with secular nationalists to elaborate an ethical justification for a rejuvenated militarism.

In other words, it was in Central America where the Republican Party first combined the three elements that give today's imperialism its moral force: punitive idealism, free-market absolutism, and right-wing Christian mobilization. The first justified a belligerent diplomacy not just for the sake of national security but to advance "freedom." The second sanctified property rights and the unencumbered free market as the moral core of the freedom it was America's duty to export. The third backed up these ideals with social power, as the Republican Party learned how to channel the passions of its evangelical base into the international arena.

To focus, therefore, exclusively on neoconservative intellectuals, as much of the commentary attempting to identify the origins of the new imperialism does, deflects attention away from the long history of American expansion. The intellectual architects of the Bush Doctrine are but part of a larger resurgence of nationalist militarism, serving as the ideologues of an American revanchism fired by a lethal combination of humiliation in Vietnam and vindication in the Cold War, of which Central America was the tragic endgame.

The history of Latin America, a region that long bore the brunt of the kind of righteous violence enshrined in the Bush Doctrine, has much to say about Washington's current drive toward global hegemony, particularly on how its ideologues have come to believe that American power itself is without limits. More ominously, though, it points to where we may wind up if we continue down this path.

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 16:16
aldep
Daning писал(а):.....
А еще они негров вешают. :evil:

Добавлено: 25 июн 2007, 16:22
Daning
aldep писал(а):
Daning писал(а):.....
А еще они негров вешают. :evil:
Алдеп, я вот все хотел вас спросить: вы правда считаете, что ваши замечания очень остроумны, и что они действительно обогащают дискуссию широтой ваших взглядов?

Или же, кроме троллинга, вас ни на что больше не хватает? :wink: