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Russia's 'valiant hero' in Ukraine turns his fire on Vladimir Putin

elena S. писал(а):опять нож в спину русской дипломатии, нравственности, величию и вообще всему( не помню список, сорри)

Russia's 'valiant hero' in Ukraine turns his fire on Vladimir Putin

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... are_btn_tw

It is unclear to what extent Strelkov’s actions in Ukraine were coordinated with the Kremlin. During the annexation of Crimea, in which Strelkov took part, the Russian military operation was carefully choreographed. However, some suggest that when the action moved to east Ukraine, he was working more in a freelance role, in touch with contacts and curators in Moscow, but not actively directed by them. Having fought as a volunteer in Transdniestr and Bosnia in the early 1990s, he served during both Chechen wars as an officer in Russia’s FSB security services. He claims he retired from active duty “after a personal conflict” in 2012, declining to elaborate.

“I was to a large extent an independent figure,” he insisted of his role in east Ukraine. He said he used all his contacts to demand a full-scale Russian invasion, but it soon became clear this was not forthcoming.

Биркин писал(а): Лена ну как можно давать такие ссылки, вы ж кое у кого краеугольные камни выбиваете из аргументации

Биркин писал(а):

elena S. писал(а):опять нож в спину русской дипломатии, нравственности, величию и вообще всему( не помню список, сорри)

Russia's 'valiant hero' in Ukraine turns his fire on Vladimir Putin

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... are_btn_tw

Лена ну как можно давать такие ссылки, вы ж кое у кого краеугольные камни выбиваете из аргументации

It is unclear to what extent Strelkov’s actions in Ukraine were coordinated with the Kremlin. During the annexation of Crimea, in which Strelkov took part, the Russian military operation was carefully choreographed. However, some suggest that when the action moved to east Ukraine, he was working more in a freelance role, in touch with contacts and curators in Moscow, but not actively directed by them. Having fought as a volunteer in Transdniestr and Bosnia in the early 1990s, he served during both Chechen wars as an officer in Russia’s FSB security services. He claims he retired from active duty “after a personal conflict” in 2012, declining to elaborate.

“I was to a large extent an independent figure,” he insisted of his role in east Ukraine. He said he used all his contacts to demand a full-scale Russian invasion, but it soon became clear this was not forthcoming.

Проф. Преображенский писал(а):Ага, все ихтамнеты были волонтиры де-юре. Это всего лишь означает....

LeeVan писал(а):

Проф. Преображенский писал(а):Ага, все ихтамнеты были волонтиры де-юре. Это всего лишь означает....

.....что их правильнее называть наемниками.
Которых ждет тюрьма по обе стороны границы.
Или пойманым на месте с оружием просто без затей лоб зеленкой помажут.

Проф. Преображенский писал(а):

LeeVan писал(а):

Проф. Преображенский писал(а):Ага, все ихтамнеты были волонтиры де-юре. Это всего лишь означает....

.....что их правильнее называть наемниками.
Которых ждет тюрьма по обе стороны границы.
Или пойманым на месте с оружием просто без затей лоб зеленкой помажут.

Ну да, конечно наемники. Но де-юре таки волонтиры. Отпускники, отставники. Хотя какие деньги могут заменить жизнь? У многих, к тому же, фактически не было выбора.

Проф. Преображенский писал(а): У многих, к тому же, фактически не было выбора.

Биркин писал(а):

elena S. писал(а):опять нож в спину русской дипломатии, нравственности, величию и вообще всему( не помню список, сорри)

Russia's 'valiant hero' in Ukraine turns his fire on Vladimir Putin

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... are_btn_tw

Лена ну как можно давать такие ссылки, вы ж кое у кого краеугольные камни выбиваете из аргументации

It is unclear to what extent Strelkov’s actions in Ukraine were coordinated with the Kremlin. During the annexation of Crimea, in which Strelkov took part, the Russian military operation was carefully choreographed. However, some suggest that when the action moved to east Ukraine, he was working more in a freelance role, in touch with contacts and curators in Moscow, but not actively directed by them. Having fought as a volunteer in Transdniestr and Bosnia in the early 1990s, he served during both Chechen wars as an officer in Russia’s FSB security services. He claims he retired from active duty “after a personal conflict” in 2012, declining to elaborate.

“I was to a large extent an independent figure,” he insisted of his role in east Ukraine. He said he used all his contacts to demand a full-scale Russian invasion, but it soon became clear this was not forthcoming.