Спонсорство родителей - 2

[Lucinda]

А вот эта статейка что-то не вселяет оптимизма.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Immigr ... story.html

Immigrants can't expect to bring parents to Canada

Federal Immigration Minister Jason Kenney is trying to do two things to rationalize Canada's immigration system: Reduce the number of elderly relatives of immigrants admitted every year and give more points to immigrants who are able to speak either English or French.

Both moves hit at the biggest problem with our immigration policy: Over the past three decades, economic considerations have given way to touchy feely ones.

At a House of Commons committee last week, Kenney said family class immigration had to be scaled back. He did not mean the spouses or children of newcomers. Rather, he explained that the government's concern is with the parents and grandparents of immigrants.Of about 254,000 immigrants admitted most years, roughly 38,000 are older parents or grandparents. Most of these older immigrants will never work or will work very little between the time they are admitted and the time of their death. That also means they will pay very few taxes to contribute toward the social services they will consume.

How is that fair to taxpayers who have lived and worked here all their lives, or who moved here decades ago and have contributed tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of tax dollars since? As baby boomers retire, our pension and health care systems are going to become over-burdened. Aging Canadians could face the kind of fiscal collapse hitting Greece. There, social benefits and civil-servant compensation have become so generous that the central government must borrow money to pay for them; its tax revenues have been insufficient. Yet it has lost the ability to borrow enough, in part because the cost of underwriting benefits is so high.

"Canada is the most generous country in the world with respect to immigration," Kenney told an often-heated Commons hearing. "But there have to be practical limits to our generosity. We have to calibrate those limits based on our country's economic needs, our fiscal capacity. There is no doubt that the people who are coming who are senior citizens, they have much, much lower labour market participation and much higher levels of utilization of the public health system."

As Kenney pointed out, just under 20 per cent of newcomers to Canada are what he called "primary economic immigrants." Immigration Canada claims 55 per cent of immigrants to this country are economic-class immigrants, but in truth, just 18 to 20 per cent are skilled workers. The other 37 per cent are the spouses and children of someone with a marketable skill.

Canadians should not begrudge newcomers bringing their husbands or wives and children with them. Trying to adjust to life in a new country and culture is hard enough without also having to cope with being without one's husband, wife and children. Besides, most skilled workers are able to fully support their nuclear families, both directly through their wages and indirectly through taxes.

However, most immigrants do not also earn enough to cover the social costs of admitting their parents, and older family-class immigrants themselves are unlikely to work enough after coming to Canada to cover their own social benefits. Admitting tens of thousands of older parents and grandparents amounts to a giant subsidy to new Canadians.

That is the "practical limit" of Canadian generosity Kenney is referring to - the delicate balance between economic needs and fiscal capacity. By some estimates, it costs federal and provincial taxpayers up to $2 billion annually to fund the social services consumed by parents and grandparents of immigrants. For instance, nearly half of all health costs for most people are incurred in the final five years of their lives. Thus, if we admit a lot of older immigrants who work very little before reaching their most expensive years, this amounts to an enormous gift to people who made most of their economic and tax contributions elsewhere.

I'm in favour of plenty of immigration - even open immigration. I am not as concerned by the cultural arguments against immigration as I am by the economic ones. Yet high volume immigration into a welfare state can easily become a fiscal suicide pact. So for as long as we insist on offering universal state health care, pensions and other social benefits, we have a right (even an obligation) to make economic considerations a part of our immigration calculations.

Earlier this month, Kenney also advocated tightening our immigration rules so that more immigrants were admitted faster if they have proficiency in either of our official languages. The immigration industry likes to portray such reforms as bigoted, but in fact, they are economic, too - immigrants who speak either English or French integrate faster and better than those who speak neither. Typically, their incomes are up to Canadian averages within about a decade and (not surprisingly) they have less trouble feeling at home here sooner.

The Liberals attempted such a change in the late 1990s, but it was quickly shot down by immigration lawyers, immigration consultants, ethnic group leaders and special interest advocates.

Thankfully, the Tories are not as beholden to such groups as the Liberals were, so perhaps these sensible reforms have a better chance of becoming federal policy now.

[neo74]

в принципе правильно , если бы я была коренной канадкой наверное согласилась бы , у некоторых по федералке едут 2 человека а по воссоединению семей еще 20 , но так как мои родители еще так то буду категорично против

[Akka]

в принципе правильно , если бы я была коренной канадкой наверное согласилась бы , у некоторых по федералке едут 2 человека а по воссоединению семей еще 20 , но так как мои родители еще так то буду категорично против

да я думаю мы все тут так же рассуждаем (если положа руку на сердце)
Как минимум я точно соглашусь, что нынешние требования довольно либеральны в плане сроков ( ну что через год резиденства уже можно подавать) и финансовых требований к спонсору.

[Гея]

Правильно делают, ИМХО, Иначе я не понимаю логику правительства.
Иммиграция была задумана для компенсации низкого уровня рождаемости. Когда молодого работающего поколения не хватает "содержать" пенсионеров.
Теперь получается, что на ОДНОГО молодого-работающего иммигранта приходится еще ДВА спонсируемых пенсионера. Т.е. где тут выгода для страны?

Называют это "воссоединением семьи", только почему при этом родителям в Канаде нельзя спонсирвоать взрослых молодых детей, которые приедут в Канаду и будут работать и платить налоги (т.е. "содержать" своих родителей). Родителей пенсионеров можно- увеличивать и так уже страеющее население, а молодых детей- нет. Логики НУЛЬ.

По мне правильнее было- привезли родителей- пусть везут братьев и племянников- путь они тоже работают и платят налоги . Я не против иммиграции любого, кто будет работать и платить налоги в казну, а не повиснет на шее соц. системы Канады (в том числе и медицинской системы). Единственное, что утешает, что спонсируемых родителей в год 16 000 на 250 000 имимгрантов в год- и особой погоды это не делает.

[simon]

Гея, согласен с Вами, но вот цифры Министр иммиграции приводит другие (см самое начало стр.)

Единственное, что утешает, что спонсируемых родителей в год 16 000 на 250 000 имимгрантов в год- и особой погоды это не делает.

Of about 254,000 immigrants admitted most years, roughly 38,000 are older parents or grandparents.

[Гея]

Да, цифра и меня удивила, потому что ДО этой статьи где-то проскальзывало именно 12000- 16000 родителей

[nonn]

пусть везут братьев .

Вы знаете, сколько у евреев братьев ?
PS: сори, это высказывание некоторые могут не понять

[Гея]

пусть везут братьев .

Вы знаете, сколько у евреев братьев ?
PS: сори, это высказывание некоторые могут не понять

Если они работящи, "братья евреев", пусть едут все!

[ereksa]

u menya odin vopros

na sponsorstvo podaval iyulye 2009, navernoye s etimi izmenenyami delo budet rassmotreno cherez 2-3 goda uze, no u nas 2 etap budet v Moskve

ya chital gde to zdes' chto v Moskve dolgo rassmatrivayut, mozet menya napisat's pismo i perevesti 2 etap v Buffalo ?

u kogo opit s etim posovetuyte, yest li smisl i kak eto delayetsya?

[Jou-Jou]

Applications for Permanent Resident of Sponsored Parents must be processed by the visa office responsible for the applicant's country of nationality, OR the country where the applicant has been lawfully admitted for at least one year, OR in the case of an applicant who is stateless, the country of habitual residence.

"Applicant" в данном случае это Ваш родитель. Т.е. Вашему родителю нужно иметь либо американское гражданство, либо статус нахождения в Штатах (Green Card, например) и проживать там по крайней мере один год на момент подачи документов на 2-ой этап, чтобы иметь право проходить 2-ой этап в Буффало.

[ereksa]

a yesli roditel po super vise uze 1-2 goda budet zit' u nas v Canade ?

[Jou-Jou]

Находиться в стране по гостевой визе (даже по super-visa) не означает иметь гражданство этой страны или быть "lawfully admitted" в ней.

Можете позвонить в Миссисаугу, узнать "из первых рук". Правда туда и раньше то было трудно дозвониться, а сейчас думаю там вообще все телефоны пообрывали... Но я дозванивалась несколько раз.

[ereksa]

ponyal spasibo. xotya mozet i s etimi novimi izmenenyami i v Moskve uze nado budet zdat' ne tak uz dolgo (3 goda). kto znayet. poka posmotrim poluchu li ya otvet iz Canadi xotya bi v techenii 2 let. podaval ya v iyun-iyul 2009 om

[Akka]

Еще апдейт на сайте появился (для тех кто в процессе на первом этапе сейчас)
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... /ob353.asp

Что-то я еще не поняла что за такая IMM 008 (пока на работе - еще не успела посмотреть).
Это имеется в виду полный пакет документов, который подается на 2м этапе?
(я подавала в дек 2007, соответственно в миссисагу только спонсоршип аппликейшн посылала с требуемыми документами - так что похоже нас лично это затронет коснется)
Вот выдержка:
Starting mid-November 2011, CPC-M will begin sending letters to sponsors with the oldest sponsorship applications in the inventory, requesting the submission of the IMM 0008 for their parent(s) or grandparent(s) with all supporting documentation, as detailed in the generic document checklist (Annex A). This generic checklist will accompany the letter. The “complete” application will be submitted to CPC-M and if found complete, a file will be created in the Global Case Management System (GCMS).
In the letter to sponsors, they will be given 90 days to comply with the request. They will also be informed that should the requested documents not be received at CPC-M within the 90-day time frame, we will determine that the sponsor is no longer interested in bringing their parent(s) or grandparent(s) to Canada and their application will be closed. Should the application be closed, CPC-M will send a letter to the sponsor informing them of the decision that was rendered and outlining their options.

If the application is received within the 90-day time frame but there is missing information or documentation, the entire application will be returned to the sponsor with a letter. They will be advised that they have 30 days to return the application with the missing elements; otherwise, the application will be closed.

Following file creation, the file will be assigned to an officer to review sponsorship eligibility. If found eligible, or if the sponsor has opted to proceed if found ineligible, the file will be forwarded to the relevant visa office for processing.

In keeping with CIC’s modernization agenda to move toward increased processing of applications from within Canada and with the implementation of GCMS, a portion of these FC4 applications will be processed from within Canada at the Case Processing Pilot in Ottawa (CPP-O). If at any time during processing it is determined that local knowledge is required, the file will be forwarded to the relevant visa office for processing and final decision.

Medical instructions will continue to be requested by the visa office or CPP-O.

Похоже они какой-то другой процесс вводят подачи на второй этап для "разгребания" бэклога и решили часть заявлений откинуть в случае непредоставления документов в указаные сроки...

[Kate16]

мы подавали в Июле 2008 - так что тоже похоже нас это тоже коснется...
не могу понять - надо только формы заполнить или еще и приложить все переводы - свидетельство о браке родителей, трудовая книжка, дипломы?