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Gadi писал(а):
Vims писал(а):интересно а незасчитанный гол чехам, по определению интерфиренс, которого в принципе не было, будут ли они апелировать?? Поздно конечно и ничего не поменяешь, так любопытно просто.. :s2:
ты учитываешь, что вне НХЛ интерференс - это когда игрок находится в площади ворот, а не когда контактирует с вратарем?
ну at the high level низяяя хотя... в определенных ситуациях можно те судья решает ....
http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/ ... lebook.pdf
Rule 69 – Interference on the Goalkeeper
69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise
that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the
crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be
allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking
players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances
be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking
player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s
ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an
attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a
goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact
with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when
such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the
attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice
judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or
review.
For purposes of this rule, “contact,” whether incidental or
otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a
goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or
any part of the body.
The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should
have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being
hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player
enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s
ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be
disallowed.
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a
defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the
goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the
attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player
has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an
attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into
contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed
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contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if
necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is
scored it would be disallowed.
69.2 Penalty - In all cases in which an attacking player initiates intentional
or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper
is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is
scored, the attacking player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as
the Referee deems appropriate). In all cases where the infraction
being imposed is to the attacking player for hindering the goalkeeper’s
ability to move freely in his goal crease, the penalty to be assessed is
for goalkeeper interference.
In exercising his judgment, the Referee should give more
significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact with
the goalkeeper than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time
of the contact.
69.3 Contact Inside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates
contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the
goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be
disallowed.
If a goalkeeper, in the act of establishing his position within his
goal crease, initiates contact with an attacking player who is in the
goal crease, and this results in an impairment of the goalkeeper’s
ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be
disallowed.
If, after any contact by a goalkeeper who is attempting to establish
position in his goal crease, the attacking player does not immediately
vacate his current position in the goal crease (i.e. give ground to the
goalkeeper), and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. In all
such cases, whether or not a goal is scored, the attacking player will
receive a minor penalty for goalkeeper interference.
If an attacking player establishes a significant position within the
goal crease, so as to obstruct the goalkeeper’s vision and impair his
ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be
disallowed.
For this purpose, a player “establishes a significant position within
the crease” when, in the Referee’s judgment, his body, or a
substantial portion thereof, is within the goal crease for more than an
instantaneous period of time.
Refer also to Reference Tables – Table 16 – Interference on the
Goalkeeper Situations (page 147).
69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates
any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the
goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal
will be disallowed.
A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal
crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case
where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the
goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the
goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease
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penalty bench before his penalty has expired by his own error or the
error of the Penalty Timekeeper, any goal scored by his own team
while he (or his substitute) is illegally on the ice shall be disallowed but
all penalties imposed on either team shall be served as regular
penalties. The penalized player must return to serve his unexpired
time (and an additional minor penalty if he left the penalty bench on
his own).
If a player shall illegally enter the game from his own players’
bench or from any other location in the rink, any goal scored by his
own team while he is illegally on the ice shall be disallowed but all
penalties imposed on either team shall be served as regular penalties.
68.6 Deliberate Illegal Substitution – see Rule 74 – Too Many Men on
the Ice.
Rule 69 – Interference on the Goalkeeper
69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise
that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the
crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be
allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking
players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances
be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking
player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s
ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an
attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a
goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact
with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when
such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the
attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice
judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or
review.
For purposes of this rule, “contact,” whether incidental or
otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a
goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or
any part of the body.
The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should
have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being
hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player
enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s
ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be
disallowed.
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a
defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the
goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the
attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player
has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an
attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into
contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed
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contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if
necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is
scored it would be disallowed.
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Vims писал(а):
ну at the high level низяяя хотя... в определенных ситуациях
Он имел ввиду, что что в NHL этого правила, в отличие от IIHF нет. См. сравнение Rule 69 NHL с Rule 534 IIHF

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=60036

Гол не засчитали абсолютно справедливо - чешский игрок находился во вратарской зоне (см. 3:18 минуту в видео внизу)

http://www.tsn.ca/canada-blanks-czechs- ... l-1.284545
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После просмотра обеих полуфинальных игр могу сказать, что если не будет улучшений в игре защиты россйской сборной, канадцы Бобровскому накидают, какие бы чудеса он сегодня не творил. Чешские болелы за канадцев, кстати, топить будут, не смотря на то, что они их сборную вынесли.
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Vims писал(а):
Gadi писал(а):
Vims писал(а):интересно а незасчитанный гол чехам, по определению интерфиренс, которого в принципе не было, будут ли они апелировать?? Поздно конечно и ничего не поменяешь, так любопытно просто.. :s2:
ты учитываешь, что вне НХЛ интерференс - это когда игрок находится в площади ворот, а не когда контактирует с вратарем?
ну at the high level низяяя хотя... в определенных ситуациях можно те судья решает ....
вне НХЛ == по правилам IIHF

PS
опередили ...
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где финал можно посмотреть?
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simon писал(а):где финал можно посмотреть?
Я здесь смотрю http://livetv.sx/eventinfo/315258_canada_russia/ Через СОПку в ХД качестве.
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В топку политику. Жалко нет ссылки на ТСН. Комментаторов слушать невозможно.
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Gadi писал(а):
вне НХЛ == по правилам IIHF

PS
опередили ...
Да не то загуглил конечно IIHF
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Пойду выпью ведро валерианки...
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Бобровский тащит команду
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не смог
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мля и диссонанс там какой -то Ducks тоже начинают с Чикагой
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Гудвин писал(а):не смог
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Закономерно. Вратарь в одиночку игру выйграть не сможет. Хоть ты на голове стой. Канадцы играют лучше. Смотрятся как команда. Наши пытаются за счет индивидуальной игры и диагональных пасов, которые канадцы без труда перехватывают.
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Гудвин писал(а):не смог
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Закономерно. Вратарь в одиночку игру выйграть не сможет. Хоть ты на голове стой. Канадцы играют лучше. Смотрятся как команда. Наши пытаются за счет индивидуальной игры и диагональных пасов, которые канадцы без труда перехватывают.
как ни странно, Хамхюс очень неплохо смотрелся на перехватах именно таких пассов
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Gadi писал(а): Хамхюс очень неплохо смотрелся на перехватах именно таких пассов
Хэмиюс вообще очень хорошо на этом ЧМ смотрится. И в этой конкретной игре.
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Канада явно сильнее.
Чета Ковальчук никакой :s2: Или я ошибаюсь
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