США - Иран

[(Alex)]

US President George W. Bush said Wednesday that he had warned world leaders they must prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons "if you're interested in avoiding World War III."
"We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Bush said at a White House press conference after Russia cautioned against military action against Tehran's supect atomic program.

"So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," said Bush.

[(Alex)]

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4701

Olmert sounds alarm: Iran has crossed red line for developing a nuclear weapon. It’s too late for sanctions
This is the message prime minister Ehud Olmert is carrying urgently to French President Nicolas Sarkozy Monday and British premier Gordon Brown Tuesday, according to DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources.

Last week, Olmert placed the Israeli intelligence warning of an Iranian nuclear breakthrough before Russian president Vladimir Putin, while Israel’s defense minister Ehud Barak presented the updated intelligence on the advances Iran has made towards its goal of a nuclear weapon to American officials in Washington, including President Bush.

Olmert will be telling Sarkozy and Brown that the moment for diplomacy or even tough sanctions has passed. Iran can only be stopped now from going all the way to its goal by direct, military action.

Information of the Iranian breakthrough prompted the latest spate of hard-hitting US statements. Sunday, Oct. 21, US vice president Cheney said: "Our country, and the entire international community, cannot stand by as a terror-supporting state fulfills its grandest ambitions.''

Friday, the incoming Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen said US forces are capable of operations against Iran’s nuclear facilities or other targets. At his first news conference, he said: “I don’t think we’re stretched in that regard.”

It is worth noting that whereas Olmert’s visits are officially tagged as part of Israel’s campaign for harsher sanctions against Iran, his trips are devoted to preaching to the converted, leaders who advocate tough measures including a military option; he has avoided government heads who need persuading, like German Chancellor Angela Merkel or Italian prime minister Romano Prodi.

The Israeli prime minister hurried over to Moscow last Thursday after he was briefed on the hard words exchanged between Putin and Iran’s supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in Tehran Tuesday, Oct. 16.

According to DEBKAfile’s sources, the Russian leader warned the ayatollah that the latest development in Iran’s nuclear program prevented him from protecting Tehran from international penalties any longer; the clerical regime’s options were now reduced, he said, to halting its clandestine nuclear activities or else facing tough sanctions, or even military action.

The Russian ruler’s private tone of speech was in flat contrast to his public denial of knowledge of Iranian work on a nuclear weapon. It convinced Olmert to include Moscow in his European itinerary.

Our sources in Iran and Moscow report that Putin’s dressing-down of Khamenei followed by his three-hour conversation with the Israeli prime minister acted as catalysts for Iranian hardliners’s abrupt action in sweeping aside senior nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani Saturday, Oct. 20 and the Revolutionary Guards General Mahmoud Chaharbaghi’s threat to fire 11,000 rockets and mortars at enemy targets the minute after Iran comes under attack.

Our military sources say Tehran could not manage to shoot off this number of projectiles on its own. Iran would have to co-opt allies and surrogates, Syria, Hizballah, Hamas and pro-Tehran militias in Iraq to the assault.

DEBKAfile’s US military sources disclosed previously that if, as widely reported, Syria is in the process of building a small reactor capable of producing plutonium on the North Korean model, Iran must certainly have acquired one of these reactors before Syria, and would then be in a more advanced stage of plutonium production at a secret underground location.

[Daning]

A plan to attack Iran swiftly and from above

WASHINGTON — Massive, devastating air strikes, a full dose of "shock and awe" with hundreds of bunker-busting bombs slicing through concrete at more than a dozen nuclear sites across Iran is no longer just the idle musing of military planners and uber-hawks.

Attacking Iran has gone far beyond the twilight musings of a lame-duck president. Almost all of those jockeying to succeed U.S. President George W. Bush are similarly bellicose. Both front-runners, Democrat Senator Hillary Clinton and Republican Rudy Giuliani, have said that Iran's ruling mullahs can't be allowed to go nuclear. "Iran would be very sure if I were president of the United States that I would not allow them to become nuclear," said Mr. Giuliani. Ms. Clinton is equally hard-line.

"They could keep it up until the end of time, which might be hastened by the bombing," Mr. Pike said. "They could make the rubble jump; there's plenty of stuff to bomb," he added, a reference to the now famous line from former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld that Afghanistan was a "target-poor" country.

[Проф. Преображенский]

A plan to attack Iran swiftly and from above

Iran's ruling mullahs can't be allowed to go nuclear.

И это по сути верно, имхо. Лучше, конечно, обойтись без бомбежки. Однако только один предотвращенный ядерный теракт скомпенсирует все потери от бомбежки. В чем я не прав?

[Daning]

Однако только один предотвращенный ядерный теракт скомпенсирует все потери от бомбежки. В чем я не прав?

Вы знаете, сколько миллионов исламских фундаменталистов проживает в Пакистане?
Вы знаете, сколько там же сосредоточено ядерного оружия?
Вы знаете, сколько ядерных терактов произошло со времени, когда Пакистан овладел ядерным оружием?

[Проф. Преображенский]

Однако только один предотвращенный ядерный теракт скомпенсирует все потери от бомбежки. В чем я не прав?

Вы знаете, сколько миллионов исламских фундаменталистов проживает в Пакистане?
Вы знаете, сколько там же сосредоточено ядерного оружия?
Вы знаете, сколько ядерных терактов произошло со времени, когда Пакистан овладел ядерным оружием?

Берем и читаем про Пакистан и Иран. Обнаруживается большая разница. Видимо в этом и причина.

[Daning]

Обнаруживается большая разница.

В чем она заключается?

[Victoria]

Обнаруживается большая разница.

В чем она заключается?

Президент США Джордж Буш заявил в субботу, что президент Пакистана Первез Мушарраф предпринял в последние дни "позитивные шаги" для вывода своей страны из сложившейся там ситуации и что США заинтересованы в продолжении хороших отношений с Пакистаном.

РИА Новости

Кто будет доминировать на Ближнем Востоке в ближайшее время - Иран или США? Парадокс в том, что Вашингтон сам расчистил Тегерану путь к такому соревнованию в регионе, невольно укрепив влияние иранцев в Ираке, Ливане, Палестине, а также иранско-сирийский союз.

РИА Новости

[Daning]

Вика, значит, принципиальная разница заключается в том, что Пакистан имеет хорошие отношения с США, а Иран - нет? И поэтому Иран будет устраивать ядерные теракты против своих врагов, а Пакистан не будет?

[Victoria]

Значит, принципиальная разница заключается в том, что Пакистан имеет хорошие отношения с США, а Иран - нет?

На сегодняшний день -- возможно.

И поэтому Иран будет устраивать ядерные теракты против своих врагов, а Пакистан не будет?

Frankly speaking, I've no idea.

[LeeVan]

Frankly speaking, I've no idea.

and most probably no use.

[Victoria]

and most probably no use.

разве только в качестве политинформации

[LeeVan]

and most probably no use.

разве только в качестве политинформации

в смысле вздремнуть под мерный рокот, когда кто-нить чешет про корабли вселенной бороздящие геополитически просторы ?

[Victoria]

в смысле вздремнуть под мерный рокот, когда кто-нить чешет про корабли вселенной бороздящие геополитически просторы ?

а в середине лекции бодренько вскинуть руку с просьбой задать вопрос, без ответа на который ну никак уснуть невозможно ?

[LeeVan]

а в середине лекции бодренько вскинуть руку с просьбой задать вопрос, без ответа на который ну никак уснуть невозможно ?

это если крепко вздремнул, и головой шарахнулся об один из окружающих твердых предметов.