Забастовка школьных учителей. Чего ожидать?

[Earl Grey]

IMHO, дети страдают не из-за правительства, а из-за безответственности тех, кто их использует как рычаг.

... дети как раз радуются и молятся на тех кто бастует, а вот родители страдают ...

Ага, особенно те, кто в выпускных классах радуются. Если они элементарно не наберут необходимого количества отметок, они будут просто счастливы ... Может даже захотят на второй год остаться ... от счастья.

[дядя Вова]

Зато председатель профсоюза и остальные бастующие могут научить детей не уважать закон. Замечательно!

по крайней мере она готова ответить за свои действия


Is Jinny Sims Going to Jail?

Criminal contempt?
What the courts have said about leaders of 'illegal strikes.'
By David Schreck
Published: October 7, 2005

TheTyee.ca

"They could threaten to put me in prison." -- Jinny Sims, BCTF President, quoted in The Province, October 6, 2005

There is one important ambiguity in what Sims said: who are "they"? They are not the government. Governments used to include nasty penalties in back to work legislation, but modern labour law puts the really mean stuff over to the courts.

Sims and the BCTF executive may be stubborn but they aren't stupid. They knew that the employers' association would attempt to get a ruling from the Labour Relations Board by Thursday afternoon, and that the employers would certainly succeed in getting an order by Friday afternoon that a full scale withdrawal of services is an illegal strike.

The order will then be registered in BC Supreme Court where the union will be called up on charges of contempt of court for failing to abide by the order. If the union directs its members to return to work immediately, it might get off with a finding of civil contempt and relatively minor fines. If the job action continues, the union and its officers could be found in criminal contempt of court with substantial fines and jail sentences.

Supreme Court ruling

Case law on "illegal strikes" was made in Alberta when the United Nurses of Alberta went on strike in January, 1988, contrary to directives made under the Alberta Labour Relations Act forbidding the strike. The nurses were found to be in criminal contempt of court and fined $400,000. In 1992, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that a union can be held in criminal contempt of court, upholding the criminal contempt conviction. A dissenting opinion said:

"The conduct of the union leadership was not sufficient to transform the civil contempt into criminal contempt. The element of public injury was missing from the breach of the order. The nurses neither flaunted their disobedience of the order nor presented any threat of violence. The diffidence of their spokesperson in discussing the matter with press indicated that the union did not intend to bring the administration of justice into disrepute or hold it up to scorn."

Consequences

The fact that the teachers are willing to risk fines and jail shows how angry they are with the Campbell government for using legislation to break their contract and remove their right to bargain working and learning conditions, class size, number of special needs students per class, whether special needs students must have assistance and other matters that are crucial to how classrooms function.

Many of the civil rights we take for granted were only achieved because someone was willing to take on the establishment with civil disobedience. The teachers are at the threshold of deciding how far they will go with their civil disobedience. The government could defuse the conflict by agreeing to discuss working and learning conditions at a separate table, as recommended by its fact finder, or it can stand back and let the process unfold, complete with the court process.

Those who engage in civil disobedience have to be ready to accept the consequences. It looks like the teachers are prepared.

Political analyst David Schreck publishes the online journal Strategic Thoughts where a version of this appeared.

[Jou-Jou]

Зато председатель профсоюза и остальные бастующие могут научить детей не уважать закон. Замечательно!

При здешнем подходе к обучению нет никакой разницы в качестве при классе в 27 человек и классе в 30.

Но дело даже не в этом. Будь моя воля, я бы законодательно запретил забастовки там где забастовочные действия наносят ущерб не работодателю, а "клиентам", которым некуда деться.

В случае же учителей, медсестер, работников Телуса и т.п. работодатели только экономят деньги. Это даже не смешно. Велеречивые функционеры используют неповинных людей (и детей) для решения своих проблем.

Если они так пекутся о размерах классов, почему бы не спросить у родителей: готовы ли они к закрытию школ на пару-тройку недель ради возможного небольшого сокращения классов?

А я уж думала я одна тут против этой забастовки... Жму руку!

[дядя Вова]

Зато председатель профсоюза и остальные бастующие могут научить детей не уважать закон. Замечательно!

а вот это про соблюдение закона - посмотрите кому у кого следует поучиться соблюдению закона

The following is from Saturday's Times/Colonist:

Teachers' strike is about much more than money

-Sucha Ollek

Both Premier Gordon Campbell and Labour Minister Mike de Jong have lectured the teachers on the importance of the rule of law to our society.

Since teachers are a role model for students, it is imperative they not break the law.

The labour minister, in light of the penalty imposed by the court on the teachers for contempt of court, made a point of saying that since the teachers can no longer collect strike pay, they should all return to work.

The rule of law is critical to a democratic society; without law, there would be anarchy.

But the question is: What moral authority does the premier have to tell the teachers to respect the law? And what exactly is the rule of law?

This is the same premier who tried to explain away his "incident in Hawaii:" Since he was on holiday, it didn't really count that he was caught driving while obviously impaired.

When caught in a flagrant breach of the law, the premier said he was entitled to take a time out from having to obey the law.

This is the same premier who ripped up the lawfully negotiated and legally binding contract of the hospital workers because he did not like the terms.

The premier had no hesitation in using the power of government to break that law.

The government must have got a real thrill from all that power because it went on to pass a special law to overturn the legally binding decisions of the arbitrators in favour of the Crown counsels of this province.

Instead of worrying about setting a poor example for all those impressionable students, the premier seemed downright proud the government was willing to break the law to take away the rights of another group.

On at least nine separate occasions, an international body has ruled that the Liberal government breached a binding United Nations treaty protecting the rights of workers accepted by our province in 1972.

In plain terms, the government has been told to stop breaking international law. So did the premier respect the rule of law?

He responded that he felt no pressure to change. Now the government has passed a law taking away the rights of the teachers and is trying to force them to work under terms dictated by the government.

This law is likely in breach of the international treaty. Not even the Social Credit governments -- who did not exactly have warm and fuzzy feelings towards unions -- acted with such disregard for international treaties.

Given the track record of the government, the premier has little if any moral authority to urge others to obey the law. Considering the past behaviour of the government when it comes to obeying the law, is it any surprise the teachers are ignoring calls from the premier to not break the law?

Just what is the rule of law? There are as many definitions of the term are there are needs to justify or condemn a particular course of action.

It has been said the rule of law means that all laws passed by a government must respect the equality and human dignity of individuals. Others say the rule of law means that all laws must reflect a certain vision of social justice; that is, the laws must treat everyone fairly and equally, and have respect for the fundamental rights of individuals.

What we take for granted in a pluralistic democratic society -- such as the right to negotiate the conditions under which we work -- cannot be taken away by any government in a society governed by the rule of law.

If the premier believes in the rule of law, then how does the government justify its behaviour?

The teachers have been told they cannot negotiate a salary increase: They can stay at the bargaining table as long as they want, but at the end of the day, there will be no increase in salaries.

The teachers have been told they cannot negotiate the conditions under which they work. So, how does this respect the equality and human dignity of teachers as individuals?

Disobeying a court order is a serious matter. Even if the law is unjust, the premier still has an obligation, just like the teachers, to obey the law.

There have been many times when I as a lawyer had to use all of my moral authority and persuasive powers to convince a client to obey a law, even if the client strongly believed the law to be wrong or unjust.

No doubt the lawyers for the B.C. Teachers' Federation are doing all they can to convince the teachers to obey the law. And no doubt they find it impossible to explain why the government thinks it can break the law with impunity.

Perhaps the premier cares to explain this to us.

Sucha Ollek is a lawyer in Nanaimo.

[Jou-Jou]

Требования учителей понятны и не согласиться с ними нельзя. НО. Посмотрите, кто больше всего страдает от решения проблемы путём такой забастовки. Ученики. И их родители. И ни в коей мере не правительство, против которого эта забастовка направлена.
Значит, что-то неправильно в этой забастовке? Наверное, надо было решать существующие проблемы каким-то другим путём?

[дядя Вова]

Требования учителей понятны и не согласиться с ними нельзя. НО. Посмотрите, кто больше всего страдает от решения проблемы путём такой забастовки. Ученики. И их родители. И ни в коей мере не правительство, против которого эта забастовка направлена.
Значит, что-то неправильно в этой забастовке? Наверное, надо было решать существующие проблемы каким-то другим путём?

вот допустим у человека болят гланды или зубы и он в операционной скажет врачу что это неправильно их так удалять и что есть другой путь...немного длиннее, так сказать с другого конца...

при переговорах о заключении трудового договора законодательно было запрещено поднимать вопрос о заработной плате и об условиях труда...как вам это

[Earl Grey]

Дядя Вова,

"НЕ ЧИТАЙТЕ СОВЕТСКИХ ГАЗЕТ" (С)

И уж тем более, не цитируйте.
Свои-то мысли у вас есть?

[Jou-Jou]

вот допустим у человека болят гланды или зубы и он в операционной скажет врачу что это неправильно их так удалять и что есть другой путь...немного длиннее, так сказать с другого конца...

при переговорах о заключении трудового договора законодательно было запрещено поднимать вопрос о заработной плате и об условиях труда...как вам это

Да уж, куда уж лучше голову отрезать - чтоб уж ни зубы, ни гланды... Если врач не нравится, идите к другому. Зачем-же при этом кресло хирургическое ломать, или на ассистентку орать?

А насчёт контракта... Я лично, когда в контракте что-то не нравится - просто его не подписываю. А если что подписываю, то потом соблюдаю все пункты. Нравятся они мне или нет. IMHO.

[дядя Вова]

Дядя Вова,

"НЕ ЧИТАЙТЕ СОВЕТСКИХ ГАЗЕТ" (С)

И уж тем более, не цитируйте.
Свои-то мысли у вас есть?

Я знаю канадцы иногда Times Colonist называют Times Сommunist - уж слишком идеалистическая
но это же в шутку, на удивление напечатали статью то

[дядя Вова]

А насчёт контракта... Я лично, когда в контракте что-то не нравится - просто его не подписываю. А если что подписываю, то потом соблюдаю все пункты. Нравятся они мне или нет. IMHO.

почитайте там как либерасты отменяли контракты медработников , ну вместо собдюдения...

[Earl Grey]

вот допустим у человека болят гланды или зубы и он в операционной скажет врачу что это неправильно их так удалять и что есть другой путь...немного длиннее, так сказать с другого конца...

при переговорах о заключении трудового договора законодательно было запрещено поднимать вопрос о заработной плате и об условиях труда...как вам это

Да уж, куда уж лучше голову отрезать - чтоб уж ни зубы, ни гланды... Если врач не нравится, идите к другому. Зачем-же при этом кресло хирургическое ломать, или на ассистентку орать?

А насчёт контракта... Я лично, когда в контракте что-то не нравится - просто его не подписываю. А если что подписываю, то потом соблюдаю все пункты. Нравятся они мне или нет. IMHO.

Согласен.

В демократическом обществе есть нормальные способы.
Не нравится правительство - вперед, "работайте с населением", убеждайте чтобы в следующий раз выбрали другое.

Не удалось, проиграли? Будьте добры уважайте волю тех, кто с вами не согласился.

А то прямо фантасмагория какя-то: УЧИТЕЛЯ нарушают закон (каким бы неприятным он ни казался!) во имя будущего поколения.

Сегодня в новостях одна мамаша заявила: "Если они (учителя) могут нарушать закон "заботясь" о моем ребенке, значит и я тем более могу. Пойду в закрытую школу, взломаю дверь и возьму из локера книжки, необходимые МОЕМУ РЕБЕНКУ для того чтобы продолжать учиться сидя дома".

[marmur]

У нашей старшей в школе задания выдают на весь семестр, и учебники она предусмотрительно из школы забрала. Сейчас сидит, потихоньку делает домашнее задание наперед по каждому предмету, хотя и переживает, конечно. Все же 12 класс-не шутка. Потом придется по нескольку тестов в день сдавать, чтобы в график уложиться.

[Jou-Jou]

У нашей старшей в школе задания выдают на весь семестр, и учебники она предусмотрительно из школы забрала.

Умная девочка, молодец.

Учителя могли у неё поучиться .

Если уж они так пекутся о детях и их образовании, о чём расписывают на своих плакатах и трубят в интервью по телевидению .

Могли бы тоже деткам хоть на неделю дать задание, и ещё какие бы меры предусмотрели бы. Забастовщики, ёлки-палки (тут на сайте матерно можно? Или модератор злой, порежет? )

[Yury]

[Если уж они так пекутся о детях и их образовании, о чём расписывают на своих плакатах и трубят в интервью по телевидению

ага, счас они вам скажут - денег хотим, а остальное как получится - весь светлый образ борцов с реакционным правительством куда тогда девать?

[дядя Вова]

[Если уж они так пекутся о детях и их образовании, о чём расписывают на своих плакатах и трубят в интервью по телевидению

ага, счас они вам скажут - денег хотим, а остальное как получится - весь светлый образ борцов с реакционным правительством куда тогда девать?

свежая листовка из пикетов --почитайте за что они борются...

A Publication of the Richmond Teachers' Association
Local 38 British Columbia Teachers' Federation
Monday, October 17, 2005

COMMENTS FROM THE LINE ...
I don't know of anyone at our school that is ready to back down. They're not in it for the strike pay!!!

WHAT TEACHERS ARE TELLING US ...

Why we're staying strong ...
- Teachers have the utmost respect for the courts and the judiciary
- Teachers are protesting an unjust law- We understood that there would be consequences and we are prepared to accept them­
Teachers have tried many other routes. We have written letters, collected petitions, brought issues to the public's attention, brought the issues to the bargaining table, spoken out on behalf of our students in the face of many attempts to silence us, made presentations, talked to our employers, and on and on.
- When teachers win a right in court this government has passed legislation to overrule the court's decisions. When the ILO rules against this government it ignores the ruling.
-Teacher's have not taken action lightly but we cannot abandon our students, our bargaining rights or the public education system.
- Teachers are absolutely committed to securing improvements in our students' learning conditions and to defending our bargaining rights.
- Teachers continue to call on the government to meet with teachers and resolve this situation. The government created this crisis; the government needs to resolve it.
- Teachers have said all along that legislation aimed at teachers will not solve a single problem facing students in our classrooms today. We simply cannot understand why this government is still refusing to come to a table and work with teachers on solutions.

PICKETTING ZONES
Please remember that pickets must only be set up outside and/or along the employers' property (schools/worksites). If we picket beyond the boundaries of the worksite, we are creating an extended picket line in front of other businesses and homes that other unions and supportive public members will not cross. If you need to leave the worksite boundary, remove your picket sign during that excursion.

STUDENT WORK
Teachers are reminded to not provide students with assignments, etc. in person or via e-mail during job action. Students can be encouraged to work on their own studies at this time.

FINANCIAL HARDSHIP
Remember that if you are going to be unable to meet your financial obligations to creditors, you should speak directly to your creditors as soon as possible. We have heard that institutions such as Coast Capital and Royal Bank are being VERY helpful to our members. If you require further assistance, please call the RTA Office.



What do you do when the Law breaks the law?

A message from University Employees at UVIC&Royal Roads (CUPE locals 4163, 917 3886)

Why arе we protesting?
This protest is not about wages and benefits, but about honouring contracts and respecting the process of free collective bargaining.
The BC Teachers' job action is partly a result of a long list of injustices by the BC Government, such as ripping up legal contracts (Bill 29), stripping University workers of the right to strike (Bill 21). disregarding BC Supreme Court & Labour Board rulings (e.g., 2005 BCAA 399, and Bill 28), and not heeding a ruling by the United Nations.

The Law is breaking the law
The job action by BC Teachers is consistent with Supreme Court rulings on the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, with a non-binding United Nations International Labor Organization ruling, and with long standing labour law principles that have governed in BC for over 50 years. In contrast. Bill 12 -- the Campbell government's law making the teachers' job action illegal -- has only existed since 4pm Friday Oct 7.
Two years ago, the BC Liberals imposed legislation that ripped up legal contracts. Last year, when the BC Supreme Court ruled against the BC Government on other matters. they simply changed the laws to suit themselves. They did this despite warnings from Supreme Court Justice D.W. Shaw that thei r acti ons contai ned "fu ndamental" errors on "points of law that are of importance to the education system of British Columbia, including the teachers, the school boards and the students."
Today, the BC Government is doing it again. Bill 12 is an ad hoc law that contradicts past Supreme Court rulings, long standing legal principles, and the United Nations. In short, Campbell's law breaks higher federal laws, and contradicts time-tested labour law principles and international standards.

Why are these events historic?

At one time there were no "collective agreements." Workers resolved problems by "downing tools" & walking out. This led to industrial chaos and large­ scale strikes during the 1930's & 1940's. Later. a
"compromise" was made in the post-war period, requiring unions & employers to freely negotiate and then respect legally binding contracts (PC 1003). The result was relative labour peace.
Recent legislation, however, has put both contracts and free collective bargaining at risk, thereby threatening the very basis upon which labour peace is founded. All unions are threatened. As Martin Luther King said: "An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Why Civil Disobedience?
The "social contract" between a Government and its citizens is essential for nurturing a stable society, because it ensures the social rights of citizens. A Government agrees to respect the rights of citizens, and citizens in turn agree to respect the laws and submit to the power of Government. However, once a Government unilaterally violates rights, all bets are off -- and Civil Disobedience is the result.
Part of Civil Disobedience is “disobedience”, or breaking the law. When a law is unjust, or when it contradicts higher laws & principles, citizens will use Civil Disobedience to fight the unjust law. Linda Coyle, President of The Charter for Public Education Network said: "...there is a big difference between breaking the law and having a law created to break you."
After revoking legal contracts, ignoring Labour Board & BC Supreme Court rulings & disregarding United Nations decisions, the BC Government has lost all legal credibility. If undermining the judicial process does not destroy democracy, then surely the inaction of British Columbians will. The members of UVIC's CUPE locals cannot to allow this attack on 42,000 teachers to pass in appalling silence.